Essay · 10 min read plus slides

Churn is Dead, Long Live Net Dollar Retention

Dave Kellogg · Kellblog Free Advanced

Kellogg's argument that churn has too many definitions to be trustworthy, and that private companies should measure NDR the way public ones do. The slides are the reference deck for this debate.

  • Argues net dollar retention beats LTV/CAC because churn has too many definitions and invites gaming.
  • Notes PE firms recalculate all your metrics anyway, so use the measure public markets already trust.
  • Suggests private SaaS companies also start tracking remaining performance obligation (RPO).

It answers 4 questions

  1. What is the difference between gross retention and net retention, and which one should I watch?
  2. Should my CSMs carry a quota?
  3. Who should own expansion: sales, customer success, or a dedicated team?
  4. What NRR should a genuinely best-in-class company target in my segment?

Read with it

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  2. The Gainsight CEO on why CS should own an NDR number rather than just a churn number, including the idea of giving every CSM... Gainsight Article · 8 min read 8 Things I Learned from Dave Kellogg About Net Dollar Retention Nick Mehta
  3. The good, better, best NRR bands (100, 110, 120 plus) that boards actually benchmark against, sitting alongside the efficiency... Bessemer Venture Partners Report · report State of the Cloud 2023 Kent Bennett, Talia Goldberg, Mike Droesch and others
  4. Lays out the three real ways to organise a CS team (by segment, by lifecycle stage, by engagement model) and what each one... Gainsight Article · 16 min read Customer Success Team Structure: The Ultimate Guide Gainsight
  5. The formula written out term by term, with the three performance bands. The right first read if you have been nodding along in... Stripe Article · 9 min read Net revenue retention (NRR): What is NRR and why does it matter for SaaS businesses? Stripe
  6. The benchmark study everyone quotes: good and great net revenue retention by business type, built from 20 growth experts plus... Lenny's Newsletter Newsletter · 15 min read What is good retention? Lenny Rachitsky
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